Sunday, January 07, 2007

Fucking tools

Well that is it for me for 1/2 NL until the 15th. I lost my entire stack once with AA vs KK where I cold called a $7 bet, the person after me raised to $24, I pushed another $150 in and she called. She ends up four flushing me.

I then get into a hand with Weak player. I flop two pair to his TPTK. Of course being a Weak player he can not get away from his hand when I raise him 30 on the flop and put him all in on the turn. Of course he rivers a miracle paired board and wins the hand. Oh well. At least I am outplaying everyone I see. They need to catch lucky to beat me.

14 Comments:

Anonymous kipper said...

looks like your taking it well.

6:44 PM

 
Blogger SirFWALGMan said...

What can you do? I got in as an 80% favorite with my AA hand and a 70% Favorite on the flop, 63% Favorite on the turn with 1 card to come. I think those are fine odds to play with. If I had been behind in either hand I would have been alot less happy with my play.

6:47 PM

 
Blogger Eric a.k.a. Bone Daddy said...

I logged in just as the aa kk thing went down, don't let it get to you or let it start a downward spiral, it happens, it has happened to me, and I'm still pissed months later...

But don't make my mistake, i pissed away a lot of good gains trying to force hands and make it up in one big pot, stick to your game, it will pay off in the long run.

7:26 PM

 
Blogger Weak Player said...

Yo, you didn't put me all in, I put you all in. Also you don't mention the part where I raise you before the flop with AK and your donkey ass calls with 85 s000ted. That's how you got into that mess.

Finally, you don't mention that I could have as many as 16 outs on the river, assuming I am behind. Since your donkey ass caught a miracle flop, you had 2p and no heart, all of my outs were good. That's right, I had TPTK and a flush draw.

I thought you could have AK, AQ, be putting a move on me, or possibly had a set or 2p. Given that range, my play was not unreasonable. My bad for giving you credit for being capable of making a move.

Perhaps you should let your readers decide how weak my play is.

http://www.pokerhand.org/?722714

9:20 PM

 
Blogger SirFWALGMan said...

You were owned. You do not pay attention to your opponents. You overplayed TPTK.. you overplayed a draw on the turn. I owned you every step of that hand until you got lucky on the river. Just admit it. You got outplayed. Anyone who has played 5 days straight with me would have folded the flop.

9:25 PM

 
Blogger DP said...

I just looked at the pokerhand.org hand history. Weak_player played his hand well.

Waffle: I don't see why you didn't bet $70 or more on the turn. You had to make what was somewhat of a crying call the way you played it -- it so happens you weren't a big favorite, and you didn't remove the potential folding equity with a bigger bet or all in move... even then, I don't see the result of this particular hand being different but that's irrelevant.

It should be noted that this was a hand between the small and big blind. (When everyone at the table folded to them.)

Weak_player: you are blaming Waffle for calling preflop with 85s when it's not correct to make a judgment on that decision -- what each individual payer does in that case depends on his style.

Then again, weak_player makes a lot of judgments.

11:12 PM

 
Blogger Weak Player said...

Really? Let's examine this action by action:

Pre-flop:
You complete with a garbage hand, I pot it with AK, you call. Score Weak 1, Waffles 0.

Flop:
There is $12 in the pot. You check, I lead out with $12. Given TPTK this is a reasonable course. You raise to $30. Let's just assume for the sake of argument that I have been paying attention and put you on exactly what you have.

My odds of winning the pot are 2.44-1. The pot is laying me 3-1. Pot odds and implied odds dictate a call here.

You will, no doubt, object that I should put you on a set. Perhaps, but your possible holdings (even assuming you are incapable of putting a move on me) compensate me for this risk. I have to believe that at this point in the hand.

Score: weak 2, waffles 0.

Turn:
There is $72 in the pot. You lead out for $30. You have an additional 113 behind. To call, I would be getting 3.4-1 odds. My true odds at this point are 1.75-1. This is a terrible bet by you if you want me gone.

If I go all-in and you call, the pot is laying you 1.2-1 odds. But you must fold anything less than two pair here. Call is a great play for me. If you can fold something that is winning or chopping, raise is a reasonable play for me.

If and only if I give you that you are incapable of making a move on me and even that you did not have AK or AQ, call is somewhat preferable to raise here. I will generously call this a tie.

Score: weak 2, waffles 0, tie 1.

2-0-1 is hardly owning me every step of the hand.

Waffles, I can understand that you would be upset after the beating you took. However, I can not tolerate you calling me a "fucking tool" and saying that you "completely owned me" and otherwise implying that I misplayed my hand. On the contrary, I made rational choices that that ended up working out for me.

11:52 PM

 
Blogger DP said...

weak_player: "My odds of winning the pot are 2.44-1. The pot is laying me 3-1. Pot odds and implied odds dictate a call here."

Yet you say Waffles' call preflop with 85s was wrong? Pot odds and implied odds dictate a call.

But here's why you say Waffles' call preflop with 85s (which you call trash, even though that happens to be a good hand for NL hold'em cash games): I think that in your experience you've determined it would be wrong for you to call with 85s preflop in that situation, due to your lack of ability to make good decisions in tough situations post-flop.

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As I already said weak, you played the hand well, although you didn't take advantage of the fact that Waffle only bet $30 on the turn.

10:48 AM

 
Blogger DP said...

You both made 1 key mistake during the course of the hand.

- Waffle didn't protect his hand on the turn.

- Weak_player didn't take advantage of the fact that Waffle didn't protect his hand on the turn: he raised all in.

The results (which are irrelevant) show that Waffle got unlucky.

No one was "owned."

11:26 AM

 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All the fancy math is wasted here. This is a far simpler formula:

Waffles *sucks out* on someone=hilarious, and the had it coming becuase blah blah blah

Waffles gets sucked out on=You are a child raper/Nazi/Moron blah blah blah.

I don't think calling the raise with 8-5 is a terrible move, but it's interesting that doing that led to you losing your whole stack. Blame it on suckouts whatever, but calling a raise with a garbage hand leads to trouble like this.

1:38 PM

 
Blogger Guin said...

I thought the hands played out the way both players wanted them to go... Waffles wanted WP all in on that turn. Waffles you didn't put WP on the flush when calling that push. WP took Waffles bet of $30 on the turn as weak and he pushed... I like the read and the play especially with all the outs that were available.

Waffles you got your cash in ahead and that is all you can ask for. Reload and move on.

1:52 PM

 
Blogger SirFWALGMan said...

Agreed Guin.. Actually I would have prefered to have ended the hand on the flop even though I was ahead and knew I was ahead. Hence the big raise with what I knew was a strong but vulnerable hand. The turn bet should have been bigger. I talked to Weak though and no way he is folding on the turn so it is moot.

Anon- I do not mind getting all my money in as a 64-70+% favorite. I know alot of players make alot of money with way less odds. Oh well.

2:04 PM

 
Blogger Bloody P said...

I've finally figured you out, Waffles.

110% Narcissist.

"Anon" is right. When you suckout it's the most hilarious thing in the world.

When you don't (or are ahead and lose), the world is against you.

Put a stitch in your gash, bizzy.

6:06 PM

 
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