Sunday, August 06, 2006

Bad Night Good Results

I feel as if my game was off tonight. I was pushing edges too much and willing to call off too much with TPTK or overpairs. Here are some hands for example. Let me know what you think. Even though I won some of these hands I think especially hand B was terrible. If I am making good decisions and losing ok. If I am making horrible ones and winning that sucks.

Hand A:
Did I overcommit with TPSK and a flush draw? I know I got lucky. I know this guy is a maniac too. I honestly thought there was a huge chance I was beat. Do you fold this to the flop bet? Turn? River? Do you raise? Are you ok with the river call? I think by the river I had gotten myself neck deep in shit and had to call.

FullTiltPoker Game #871122754: Table Ann - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:30:40 ET - 2006/08/06
Seat 1: Neologism ($41.55)
Seat 2: bbball22 ($56.30)
Seat 3: iwncti ($24.90)
Seat 4: dcoles11 ($14.75)
Seat 5: hangers ($11.80)
Seat 6: Spewintothis ($41.50)
Seat 7: SirFWALGMan ($23)
Seat 8: gabrielA123 ($23.95)
Seat 9: SkillzKillz ($21.05)
dcoles11 posts the small blind of $0.10
hangers posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SirFWALGMan [Tc Qc]
Spewintothis raises to $0.85
SirFWALGMan calls $0.85
gabrielA123 folds
SkillzKillz calls $0.85
Neologism folds
bbball22 folds
iwncti folds
dcoles11 folds
hangers folds
*** FLOP *** [8c 3c Td]
Spewintothis checks
SirFWALGMan checks
SkillzKillz bets $2.90
Spewintothis folds
SirFWALGMan calls $2.90
*** TURN *** [8c 3c Td] [6d]
SirFWALGMan checks
SkillzKillz bets $7
SirFWALGMan has 15 seconds left to act
SirFWALGMan calls $7
*** RIVER *** [8c 3c Td 6d] [8d]
SirFWALGMan checks
SkillzKillz bets $10.30, and is all in
SirFWALGMan calls $10.30
*** SHOW DOWN ***
SkillzKillz shows [Kh Ad] (a pair of Eights)
SirFWALGMan shows [Tc Qc] (two pair, Tens and Eights)
SirFWALGMan wins the pot ($41.15) with two pair, Tens and Eights
SkillzKillz is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $43.30 | Rake $2.15
Board: [8c 3c Td 6d 8d]
Seat 1: Neologism didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: bbball22 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: iwncti (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: dcoles11 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: hangers (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: Spewintothis folded on the Flop
Seat 7: SirFWALGMan showed [Tc Qc] and won ($41.15) with two pair, Tens and Eights
Seat 8: gabrielA123 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: SkillzKillz showed [Kh Ad] and lost with a pair of Eights

Hand B:
This is one of my biggest weaknesses in NLHE. I am willing to stack off (sometimes) if the hand that beats me is not obvious. I thought I might be beat on the turn. However I invested alot in this hand and I had more outs by the turn. I badly play overpairs where TPTK I seem to play better for the most part. Any comments?


FullTiltPoker Game #870477994: Table Apple - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 20:26:05 ET - 2006/08/06
Seat 1: third3y3 ($49.15)
Seat 2: Tchicky ($76.05)
Seat 3: bunkinc ($24.65)
Seat 4: JohnnyMac22 ($27.30)
Seat 5: Uncle Sanchez ($22.65)
Seat 6: unkown3333 ($31.85)
Seat 7: DirkDiggalo ($28.30)
Seat 8: SirFWALGMan ($32.30)
Seat 9: liverpool141 ($26.35)
JohnnyMac22 posts the small blind of $0.10
Uncle Sanchez has 5 seconds left to act
Uncle Sanchez posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SirFWALGMan [Qc Qh]
unkown3333 folds
DirkDiggalo folds
SirFWALGMan raises to $0.85
liverpool141 folds
third3y3 raises to $2.25
Tchicky folds
bunkinc folds
JohnnyMac22 has 15 seconds left to act
Uncle Sanchez stands up
JohnnyMac22 folds
Uncle Sanchez folds
SirFWALGMan calls $1.40
*** FLOP *** [Jd 8h 5d]
SirFWALGMan checks
third3y3 bets $5.50
SirFWALGMan calls $5.50
*** TURN *** [Jd 8h 5d] [9h]
SirFWALGMan bets $10
third3y3 raises to $41.40, and is all in
SirFWALGMan calls $14.55, and is all in
third3y3 shows [Ac Ad]
SirFWALGMan shows [Qc Qh]
Uncalled bet of $16.85 returned to third3y3
*** RIVER *** [Jd 8h 5d 9h] [Th]
third3y3 shows a pair of Aces
SirFWALGMan shows a straight, Queen high
SirFWALGMan wins the pot ($61.95) with a straight, Queen high
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $64.95 | Rake $3
Board: [Jd 8h 5d 9h Th]
Seat 1: third3y3 showed [Ac Ad] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 2: Tchicky didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: bunkinc (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: JohnnyMac22 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: Uncle Sanchez (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: unkown3333 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: DirkDiggalo didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: SirFWALGMan showed [Qc Qh] and won ($61.95) with a straight, Queen high
Seat 9: liverpool141 didn't bet (folded)

Hand C:
I played this hand all kinds of bad. Again I think I had a bad night. Making calls and bad plays like this a lot. I thought that Neo played it poorly at first but it was pretty cheap for him to see the turn card. After that he had alot of odds to suckout on me. A couple less hands like this tonight and I have a mega night instead of a mediocre one.

FullTiltPoker Game #870860721: Table Churchfield - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:17:43 ET - 2006/08/06
Seat 1: luv2play32 ($13.75)
Seat 2: Neologism ($28.75)
Seat 3: bastianbucks ($43)
Seat 4: SirFWALGMan ($25.25)
Seat 5: chasing GT ($66.80)
Seat 6: illegalsmile ($22.55)
Seat 7: johncarl81 ($20.30)
Seat 8: CamosGirl ($19.25)
Seat 9: JaquesNfive ($9.05)
bastianbucks posts the small blind of $0.10
SirFWALGMan posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SirFWALGMan [Ad Kh]
chasing GT folds
illegalsmile folds
johncarl81 has 15 seconds left to act
johncarl81 calls $0.25
CamosGirl folds
JaquesNfive folds
luv2play32 calls $0.25
Neologism calls $0.25
bastianbucks calls $0.15
SirFWALGMan raises to $1.50
johncarl81 folds
luv2play32 calls $1.25
Neologism calls $1.25
bastianbucks folds
*** FLOP *** [9s Ah 5d]
SirFWALGMan bets $2
luv2play32 folds
Neologism calls $2
*** TURN *** [9s Ah 5d] [8s]
SirFWALGMan bets $5
Neologism calls $5
*** RIVER *** [9s Ah 5d 8s] [Ts]
SirFWALGMan bets $5
Neologism raises to $20.25, and is all in
SirFWALGMan calls $11.75, and is all in
Uncalled bet of $3.50 returned to Neologism
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Neologism shows [6s 7s] (a straight flush, Ten high)
SirFWALGMan mucks
Neologism wins the pot ($49.90) with a straight flush, Ten high
SirFWALGMan is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $52.50 | Rake $2.60
Board: [9s Ah 5d 8s Ts]
Seat 1: luv2play32 folded on the Flop
Seat 2: Neologism (button) showed [6s 7s] and won ($49.90) with a straight flush, Ten high
Seat 3: bastianbucks (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: SirFWALGMan (big blind) mucked [Ad Kh] - a pair of Aces
Seat 5: chasing GT didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: illegalsmile didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: johncarl81 folded before the Flop
Seat 8: CamosGirl didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: JaquesNfive didn't bet (folded)

On the good side I am playing solid poker for the most part and I won around sixty today despite some bad play. I am pretty happy with how things are going. Now if Riverstars would finish giving me my money I would be really happy. Anyone know of any Full Tilt deposit bonus's going on?

6 Comments:

Blogger Wes said...

Hand #1: RAISE THE FLOP!!!!!!! You have a big hand, try to put as much money in there as possible!

Hand #2: At 25NL this is probably fine, but I would prefer you lead into the raiser on the flop to find out where you are (of course I do this with sets also, so this advice isn't likely good for 99% of the people since everyone always check/raises in this spot). You are committed after the turn raise.

Hand #3: Put at least $4 on the flop. Betting less than 1/2 of the pot is almost always incorrect. If you bet $4 on the flop, you don't let your opponent have the correct implied odds to chase his gutshot.

11:06 PM

 
Blogger Fuel55 said...

A: I don't like QT as much as other one gappers like J9 and T8 - it is a dangerous hand. You were lucky to find one of those I-cant-fold-AK-no-matter-what retards. Check calling is also very weak play. Don't do it. Raise or fold unless you a good reason to check call.

B: you have to reraise QQ there - how else do you define the Victim's range? You got lucky. More check calling on the flop - lead it out man, don't risk giving free cards.

C: With 3 limpers your raise is too small. If one calls, they all call for pot odds. Too risky. On the flop your bet is pathetic. I know you want to extract value, but in the long run 3/4 pot bets are correct here. I agree with Wes that $4 or $5 is correct here. Weak leads work better in higher games where aggressive opponents will pounce but in the donkey games they just call. I like the bet in $5/10NL but not down here. Ditto on the turn. River is too dangerous to call. Just fold and admit you are beat when raised. Even if you pushed the turn he was calling.

Thanx for the humor. I remember these games - very tough to make money with the rake and the donkey plays being the norm.

12:12 AM

 
Blogger Drizztdj said...

"I thought that Neo played it poorly at first but it was pretty cheap for him to see the turn card. After that he had alot of odds to suckout on me."

You do realize he hit the straight on the turn and really didn't need the overkill of the straight flush on the river.

7:26 AM

 
Blogger Raveen said...

alright let see if can break this down:
#1:q10c not a great hand but ur in LP and u have position on the raiser so not a bad call...though i never would have called a raise with q10 to a MP raiser in the first place unless it was a player who plays poorley post flop. With a monster flop like that there is no reason not to either lead out on the flop or CR the shit out of that flop. By calling u have no idea where you stand if or what the guy has. Same thing with the turn play u have no idea.

Hand 2#: QQ is a very marginal hand in a cash game and i treat it as such. One of my biggest strengths is the following play. When u are facing a rasier with QQ u have to RR the pot. Ur flat call of the raise was a mistake right there. By raising you can find out where you stand....Do you see a them in the two hands so far RAISE RAISE RAISE...im gonna write a post about raising later today. Secondly if u want to smooth call the flop you have to raise the turn. With a scary turn like that and u getting raised u have to know ur beat. With all sorts of hands q10, 98, j9 all knock QQ.

Hand #3:
Preflop rasie is fine...but what is with that bet on the flop. SOOOOO weak and you know what u did wrong though im sure even if u bet pot the guy would have called u anways so i dont think there is much you could have done other then drop it on the river. ONce again that board is so terrible straight draws, two pair all over the place that u should know ur beat. Secondly when u bet weak on the river and someone raises they usually want a call. People at that level dont raise the river iwthout a strong hand. You should have known that and folded.

From those three hand i recommend the following play...for a session or an hour or whatever it is play it without calling. EITHER RAISE OR FOLD. It will change ur game

8:24 AM

 
Blogger Matt Silverthorn said...

Do NOT bonus chase on Full Tilt. It takes forever to clear anything, unless you're playing higher limits.

11:24 AM

 
Blogger jjok said...

First hand - Top pair, good kicker and a flush draw. I probably raise on the flop here to see where you are, if he reraises, then I probably let go. The fact that you called down to the river is pretty scary considering an overpair or set. This is a case of getting lucky without a good read on someone other than he was maniac.....you very easily get stacked here.

Second hand - Check-call on the flop gets you no information at all. I would have a hard time letting go of this hand at this point though.......unless I raised and got reraised on the flop. His reraise PREFLOP screamed of a biggie.......obviously.......but you didn't get any info on your flop check-call. If you open bet pot on the flop and are raised, then you can make a decision to drop at that point (hard to do with overpair on flop). After you open bet on the turn, you had to call his raise........again, got lucky.


Third hand - The flop bet was weak with TPTK as it wasn't even half the pot. As it played out, I probably dump on the river and lick my wounds.....even though you've invested 40% of your stack to this point. Straight, Flush, and 2 pair creams you here, so why call? Save the 12 bucks.

12:16 PM

 

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