Thursday, September 16, 2004

Question for the Brainiacs

I have yet to see this question discussed in either a book or a Blog. At least as far as my feeble old mind can remember, but here it is. When playing at a limit how many BB do you bring to the table? Normally for me I use Empire Pokers default. I buy in for $50 on the 1/2 table or 25BB. If I bust out I will usually switch tables. The reason I am interested in what other people do is with all this talk of being aggressive and playing hands to the max is 25BB enough to ride out the variance of missing your flush when betting into it down to the river and not making it? Should 25BB cover your needs? Just wondering. At this point I have never been in the position of needing more. I usually will either bust out or win alot. I have yet to not be able to bet a hand the way I want because of funds. I am assuming 25BB is fine but it is always good to get other feedback.

10 Comments:

Blogger Po'Boy said...

Interresting question. I've heard a few opinions, then I'll give mine. First, 25xBB is pretty standard (I think it's the default in Party). I've also heard people recommend buying in for 100xBB . Some people believe that having large stacks gives you a psychological edge against other players. The thought process being that "hey, he's got a large stack so he must be a good player" or "hey, look how much money he's won." I'm not so convinced.

However, I do think that you want to have at a minimum 12BB at all times. Never dip below that amount. EVER. If you have the nuts, the last thing you want to do is to run out of money. So, 2BB pre-flop, 2BB on the flop, 4 on the Turn, and 4 on the River. How pissed would you be if you held AA and your opponent had QQ and the flop was AAQ. This is extreme, but the point is, you NEVER want to run out of money at the table when you have the nuts.

Thoughts?

1:10 PM

 
Blogger AlCantHang said...

Jeremy at Love and Casino War had a good post about that.

http://loveandcasinowar.com/blogarch/000567.php

The concensus seems to be 20x the BB.

1:11 PM

 
Blogger Sloejack said...

The rule of thumb seems to be 20X the BB. I've been playing $.50/$1 for the most part lately so that's what I've been sitting down with ($20). This may actually not be a good guide for NL though.

1:45 PM

 
Blogger Danny said...

I normally sit down with 30BB. I think that's a comfortable place to be. If you get 30 BB beat out of you, its pretty safe to say you are the fish or you are having some horrific luck. I don't think there is much difference though in the 20-30 range.

As for large stacks making you look good, not only do I not buy into the argument but online it really doesn't have as much psychological effect as sitting down at a table and saying a wall of chips in front of your opponent. When someone sits down with that much, my first thought is "Ooh more for me to take home" not "Damn, he must be good."

2:03 PM

 
Blogger JW said...

25BB has always been my standard. This gives me enough to work with without putting more than I need to on the table.

As to the buying in for 100BBs or whatever, those people are simply targets to me. I'm going to blog about this at some point, because it really irritates me. I mean, what possible reason do you have for sitting at 2/4 with $1300??? No chance in hell you won $1200 after buying in for $100. I think it shows fear to be completely honest. As in, "I need an edge to intimidate these people...I'll buy in with my entire bankroll."
Works for me, all the more money I have access to if you are running bad or tilted! :)

2:03 PM

 
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2:03 PM

 
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2:04 PM

 
Blogger DuggleBogey said...

I would say the answer should be completely different for No-Limit than Limit. I think it's less critical in Limit. As long as you have enough to call a capped hand the whole way, you should be fine.

For No-limit it's a whole different story. You want enough to be able to capitalize on a big hand, but not put too much of your bankroll in jeopardy. In No-limit games I bring in 20 times the big blind and increase my buy in if the play seems appropriate. I never buy in for the full allowed amount. I find it's MUCH easier to get called with a monster when you are all-in for a smaller amount. I like to rathole often for this reason as well.

8:13 AM

 
Blogger ToddCommish said...

Back when I was doing moderately well at .5/1, I would bring 30xBB to the table, and LEAVE if I got below 10xBB. My reasoning is that if I got down to as low as 12-15x, I would still have enough to push a strong hand without going to -0-. If you're allowing yourself to get to ZERO, you're shortchanging yourself. What if you're down to 6xBB and you get a premium hand (AA, AK, KK). You're gonna want to be able to push it for all it's worth, and you can't.

9:45 AM

 
Blogger -EV said...

How much you sit with is, in a sense, irrelevant if you can bring more chips to the table without getting up. You want enough chips to cap it on every street when you start each hand, of course, in case you pick up a monster. But beyond that, it isn't very important.

The thing that IS important is how other players perceive you, and your stack is, whether you like it or not, a part of that. I took a while to think about this, and if you're interested the full post is at http://foolandhismoney.blogspot.com/2004/09/at-long-last-tacking-table-selection.html.

10:59 AM

 

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